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Man sees two year old alone; drives by. Did pedophile hysteria cause a child's death?

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The toddler wandered from her nursery school, Ready Teddy Go, through a door left open. A bricklayer named Clive Peachey drove past her in his truck. At the inquest, he stated, "I kept thinking I should go back. The reason I didn't was because I thought people might think I was trying to abduct her."

Instead, he assured himself that the parents must be "driving around" and would find her.

A few minutes thereafter, Abby fatally fell into an algae-covered pond.

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Last summer, an Illinois man lost an appeal on his conviction as a sex offender for grabbing the arm of a 14-year-old girl. She had stepped directly in front of his car, causing him to swerve in order to avoid hitting her.

The 28-year-old Fitzroy Barnaby jumped out his car, grabbed her arm and lectured her on how not to get killed. Nothing more occurred. Nevertheless, that one action made him guilty of "the unlawful restraint of a minor," which is a sexual offense in Illinois. Both the jury and judge believed him. Nevertheless, Barnaby went through years of legal proceedings that ended with his name on a sex offender registry, where his photograph and address are publicly available. He must report to authorities. His employment options are severely limited; he cannot live near schools or parks.

Arguably, the law would have punished Barnaby less had he hit the girl or not cared enough to lecture her. Perhaps that's the equation that ran through Peachey's mind.

Again, Barnaby is an extreme case. But ordinary people make decisions on how to interact with children based on such high profile stories.

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indecent

I recently read a campaign that encourages people to report the smallest things, such as a man walking hand in hand with a child.
Yes, there are pedophiles. Yes, child abuse is a horrible thing. But I don't blame this man at all for being afraid to stop and help a female child when the world is in an uproar over apparently rampant pedophilia.

  • 21 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:19 PM EDT
sieb

It's sad that media and government have made it seem like every man is a pedophile and looks at an internet that's apparently overflowing with child porn. What ever happened to "don't accept bribes from strangers?" Now not only are our kids too stupid to make it through school or everyday life without protection and special care, they can't come in any contact with an adult without a cop present...

Remember guys, if you see a child alone, RUN and contact the police!! Even if it's your own kid!!

  • 14 votes
#1.1 - Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:58 PM EDT
TomPitysFools

I just found out about this story, and the campaign you're talking about, indecent, a few days ago.

I remember when I was outside running a few weeks ago, and my route took me be a playground where some small children were kicking a ball around. One of them kicked it wide, and it got past the other one and rolled into my route. So I stopped, picked it up and tossed it back to him.

The mother (I'm assuming) was watching from a bench. You would not believe the dirty look I got from her. She was saying very clearly with her eyes, "You shouldn't have done that. You should have just stepped over the ball and ignored it. You were wrong to even notice there were children here." I offered her a mock salute and kept running.

At this rate, someday I'll do something similar and get taken in for questioning.

There's far too much fear in this world.

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:41 AM EDT
Gwenny

Tom,

A decade ago I was in a pub in Boulder, CO. A very small child was running around screaming, no parental unit obvious. Folks just sat there, stoicly enduring this little monster. Then the child climbed on to a chair and hung over the back so that the chair fell over. My mom instincts too over and I jumped up and went over to the wailing baby. I gently touched her, partly to console, partly to ascertain damage, while asking about a parent. Finally a woman leveraged her ass off a bar stool and came over, shrieking at me for touching her child and threatening to call the police.

Incidents like that are what have made me decided that the majority of humans should be sterilized at birth.

  • 8 votes
#1.3 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:55 AM EDT
Diabolical Things

Finally a woman leveraged her ass off a bar stool and came over, shrieking at me for touching her child and threatening to call the police.

You should have smacked her. I wish you could have got away with it. And you're right about the sterilization, unfortunately.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:57 PM EDT
TomPitysFools

Incidents like that are what have made me decided that the majority of humans should be sterilized at birth.

Harsh. But incidents like these almost make me want to agree with you. Ever see A Clockwork Orange? I'm thinking we ought to force all expecting parents into some sort of setup like that for a few hours, and just force them to watch images of flowers and bunny rabbits, while a subliminal text alternates between two messages, "Don't be afraid." and "Don't be stupid."

What do you think would have happened had she called the police?

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Sun Jul 1, 2007 1:20 PM EDT
sieb

"The gene-pool needs more chlorine...."

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Sun Jul 1, 2007 9:03 PM EDT
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Cosmotheoros

This happened to me several days ago. While driving in a semi-industrial zone in San Diego, I saw two very young children, probably no more than 3 and 4, attempting to cross a busy street. My first instinct was to stop and either help them, or give them a ride to wherever it was that they were going. However, as a 30+ year old white male who drives a beat up vehicle, it took only a fraction of a second to realize that I might be taken for a creep, so I kept driving - much to my shame. I am a bit of a sucker for helping people, and usually do not worry about what will be thought of me, but the simple fact is that falling under the accusation of being a kidnapper or a pedophile is a potent deterrent.

  • 13 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:05 PM EDT
luckydog

Many years ago I was driving by on a city street and noticed a toddler wander out a store door and into the street. I stopped and took the child back in the store and found it's mother at a counter. Later I realized that could have very easily been misunderstood. Having read this article though, what else can you do and live with yourself? It's a hell of a choice to make. People are suspicious and they should be in this day and age but jumping to conclusions has terrible consequences too. That accusation even if it is disproved or rather not proved is enough to ruin your life forever.

  • 12 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:48 PM EDT
Scott Isaacs

The only conclusion I can come to is this:
1) As a white male in my mid-20's I will not be doing anything that could be viewed as even vaguely suspicious.
2) The price that parents will have to pay for more safety for their kids is making certain that they or a trusted family member is watching them 24/7 until they are old enough to take care of themselves.

I have found in our society, just in the time I have grown up, that when I go out of my way to help people 75% appreciate it and 25% are not pleased that I interfered with their personal property line turning their lights off to prevent their battery from going dead. The 25% is growing. Does anyone else feel that society itself has turned suspicious of one another as a whole?

  • 9 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:06 AM EDT
indecent

2) The price that parents will have to pay for more safety for their kids is making certain that they or a trusted family member is watching them 24/7 until they are old enough to take care of themselves.

I think this is exactly on target. If you're a parent who no longer feels you can trust your community for neighborly help (god knows where I'd be right now if my neighbors hadn't walked me home sometimes), then it is on your shoulders to make sure their nursery school doesnt leave open doors, that they never leave the yard.

There is no longer "it takes a community to raise a child". I feel almost a hypocrite, because where I'm living isn't that bad, but I wouldn't let my child out the front door without me being right behind them. Its certainly not how I grew up...it's saddening.

  • 5 votes
#4.1 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:10 AM EDT
framed

This is the really sad thing about it, the witch hunt mentality is hurting society as a whole, and more specifically hurting the kids its suppose to be protecting. Kids are already very safe, and these parents are protecting their kids from a relatively non-existent threat. In doing so making the entire community afraid to help their child for fear of being labeled.

The annual rate of a child being the victim of a sexual assault is about 3 in 1,000. (See the DoJ's statistics yourself if you don't believe it.) Put that together with the fact that just about 50% of sex assaults occur in the home with family or well known acquaintances, and the odds of a random stranger sexually assaulting your kid falls to 1.5 in 1,000. Compare that to 25 in 1,000 odds of your child being the victim of serious violence, 8 in 1,000 that they're mugged, 60 in 1,000 that they're the victim of simple assault. People are focusing on the wrong threats, pure and simple.

Is it worth it to make the entire community fear coming in contact with your child to reduce a risk thats already that low? Does doing that making your child more or less safe in general? Personally I'd want the random stranger to help my kid if he was in trouble and I wasn't there. Doing things that make that less likely is a foolish idea.

  • 7 votes
#4.2 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:41 PM EDT
TomPitysFools

framed:

Those numbers really put things in perspective. If you could also show the odds of "child is injured in a car accident where the driver is at fault", I bet they would eclipse all of those.

Yet people don't think twice about the dangers of driving. We not only fear too much, we fear the wrong things.

Personally I'd want the random stranger to help my kid if he was in trouble and I wasn't there.

Me too. And I'd also want to feel I could step in as that stranger without worrying about legal consequences.

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Sun Jul 1, 2007 1:26 PM EDT
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Vincent Bartning

Does Fitzroy Barnaby have any more legal options?

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:04 AM EDT
indecent

The sad thing is, the judges agreed with him. He wasn't intending to do any harm. But they are applying the law "unlawful restraint of a minor" to the letter. It doesn't matter that this case of restraint was him grabbing her arm after nearly hitting her with a car. It doesn't matter there was no sexual intention involved. Or that being labeled a sex offender will pretty well ruin his life in this state.
The judges, the jury, all agreed to that. But even after he exhausted his appeals, he will have to register as a sex offender.

  • 6 votes
#5.1 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:16 AM EDT
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chindi

Too much is missing from this story.

Did his truck have a radio?
Did he have a cell phone?
He could have stopped traffic with his truck and gotten other people involved.

By brother had a similar situation; a lost child and he felt funny about helping. If you think a white male has a problem with accusation, think of a brown skin Middle eastern looking man (even though we are Indian) with a small white girl.
What he did was stop the child, got on his cellphone called 911 immediately, and stopped people passing by to get help for her.
He got help right away from a woman passing by and they waited together while the police came.
I am not saying the truck driver had all these options, but I am sure he had some options.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:45 AM EDT
chindi

By brother had a similar situation

Sorry should read "MY brother".

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:46 AM EDT
indecent

Being that he didn't call until he heard a missing child report, he could've called sooner, yes. But I understand that for him, he just talked himself out of it and tried to forget it.

But really, even getting outside help, I don't think is something that gives him a clean break.
Should the nursery school deny an open door, or a worker, upon finding out the child was found with a man, invents a story of a man lurking around, he's still on the defensive for doing something as kind as helping a toddler.
Its unsettling and upsetting that this episode ended in death, but even from this thread, you can see that this type of incident isn't uncommon. Men feel dirty just for looking at children now, and cases like the one in Illinois really aren't that few and far between. On Newsvine, we see quite the abundance of sex abuse cases (like that of the 17 and 15 year old that got caught in a legal loophole).

If we'd insist on laws being applied correctly, this wouldn't happen. But its gone so far now...I don't see it stopping.

  • 3 votes
#6.2 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:14 AM EDT
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TommyWeir

He shouldn't have grabbed her. Period.

Whatever about the rest of it and the pretty dumb law in that particular state.

    Reply#7 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:34 AM EDT
    nmiksis

    Sure... maybe in retrospect he should have done something else. But how many people, after almost hitting a person with their car, aren't somewhat shaken up by it? In such a stressful situation, I would consider his actions at the least excusable.

    • 1 vote
    #7.1 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:19 PM EDT
    indecent

    Even if they had tried him for assault, then great.
    But he shouldn't be registering as a sex offender and ruining his life for non-sexually grabbing a female by the arm.
    He would've suffered far less had he just hit her.

    • 2 votes
    #7.2 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:26 PM EDT
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    Rapp3720

    This situation is sad, and unfortunately far too typical in America today.

      Reply#8 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:45 AM EDT
      WallyAnti

      Down here in Austin, TX we've got a lot of immigrants who seem to not supervise their children whatsoever. If you enter a grocery store it's like a jungle with kids running everywhere with parents often nowhere in sight. I almost hit a little girl who ran from behind a corner at full speed just the other day in the parking lot. It's troubling bc you know tragedy is just around the corner. You feel obligated but it's just not worth the risk.

      I hate to generalize but it seems this permissive parenting style is predominant among Mexican immigrants.

        Reply#9 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:13 PM EDT
        Rapp3720

        Hi Wally.

        I am in Dallas, and have seen alot of this also. I have also seen it in other cultural background families also unfortunately.

        I think parenting is much too hands-off these days. I know that I am not a perfect parent, but my wife and I try to keep a somewhat tight leash on our 8 year old.

        Also Wally, check out the following groups if you haven't already:
        TexVine
        Austin Vine
        Texas Longhorn Football Vine

        I think you may like these groups...

        • 1 vote
        #9.1 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:31 PM EDT
        WallyAnti

        Thank you Rapp3720 the links are much appreciated.

        Parenting is most certainly hands off compared to the past, and that goes for all cultures. I was practically raised by my Nintendo when I was growing up. My mother did wonders with the little time we had together when she wasn't working, but I can't imagine how much I've missed out on that I woudn't have if we lived in earlier times when the mother was always there to supervise and instruct. It's obvious that this cultural shift would be the cause of many problems; our struggling school system being one of them. Back in the day mothers would be very attentive to their child's development and would help with their homework and combat character flaws. Now children mostly develop their character by mimicking each other, which is downright dangerous.

        In many cases a child's teachers are the main parental figures, and they have to supervise and direct 30+ students at a time. Not enough time to attend to individual coaching.

        We are so protective of our children now when it comes to their physical safety, but when it comes to their mental health our parenting styles can only be described as laissez faire.

          #9.2 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:47 PM EDT
          Rapp3720

          Great points Wally!

            #9.3 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:26 PM EDT
            luckydog

            Aw the good old days when we could just send our children off to sweatshops where we knew they would be in good hands (unless they got theirs caught in a machine of course) and they would bring a little income into the family. No Nintendo for them. The game then was surviving childhood.

            • 2 votes
            #9.4 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:02 PM EDT
            chindi

            Aw the good old days when we could just send our children off to sweatshops where we knew they would be in good hands

            Didnt Newt want to go back to work houses for orphans?

            • 2 votes
            #9.5 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:33 PM EDT
            luckydog

            Sounds like something Newt would want to do alright.

            • 1 vote
            #9.6 - Sun Jul 1, 2007 1:48 AM EDT
            WallyAnti

            Hahaha, well I didn't mean to say that the good ol' days were perfect, just better in some areas. And I agree. That does sound like something Newt would want.

              #9.7 - Sun Jul 1, 2007 1:05 PM EDT
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              O-K

              I don't think I would just drive away if I saw a child alone but I would be concerned about being labeled a pervert. i think I would call the police and watch the kid from a distance. Sometimes even good ideas are carried too far.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#10 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:29 PM EDT
              Scipio~A

              Personally, while I sympathize with the truck driver's dilemma, I think he (obviously) made the wrong decision. Even if the little girl had found her way back to the daycare, it would not have excused not stopping. The problem is greater than simple mistrust. People just don't care to do the "right thing" any more. Maybe we have become so accustomed to pushing that responsibility off on others, like the government, charities, politically ideological interest groups et. al. that most feel responsible only for their own hide, while conveniently demanding that someone else take action,and thus derive a moral justification for their apathy.

              We're just a selfish, self-loving society, plain and simple.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#11 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:10 PM EDT
              Cosmotheoros

              amorphous:

              I think that, to a large degree, you are correct and that we live in a very selfish (and becoming more so everyday) society. However, I don't think it is fair, in this case, to say that people no longer care to do the "right thing", or to say that people are now accustomed to pushing their responsibilities off on others. This particular issue is a special circumstance and one that is intimately linked with the fear of being branded with an extremely distasteful label (pedophile, child predator, etc). As we all know, fear can be a great motivator (negative or positive) in humans, and probably the most powerful force in overriding otherwise good sense. Again, while you are correct that our society seems to be falling into a giant pit of apathy, this situation is somewhat exceptional.

                #11.1 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:08 PM EDT
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                trex-138069

                I read a story some years back about a woman who had run a day-care center until she was falsely accused of child molestation during the hysteria that ensued after the McMartin case (remember those dark days?) She was one of the "lucky" ones who was acquitted on the ludicrous charges after having been financially ruined and of course lost her career, but later when she saw a child fall and hurt herself in a public mall, she walked past rather than attempt to help the child for fear of another accusation.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#12 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:57 PM EDT
                Scott Isaacs

                I honestly just call 911 when I see something going on that looks troublesome unless I know the child and their family. I conclude that since it is a police officer's job to deal with problems like those, he won't have any trouble taking custody of them and taking them back to whomever is responsible for them. As people have said above, strangers are so mistrustful I don't need the suspicion or accusation. Like my mom told me, if someone accuses you of a crime it's on the front page and when you're acquitted it's on A10.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#13 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:12 PM EDT
                faust-132915

                I think a great many of us have been confronted by this dilemma. I was seventeen back in 1979 when a little girl came darting out in front of my Fiat from behind a tree. I swerved and hit the brakes, my front bumper stopping short of her little head at an inch or so. No parents in site, it was huge front yard. I was so freaked out about the incident, that I jumped out of my car and took the crying girl up to her house, knocked on the door (I knew where she lived, did not know her or her parents).

                Nobody answered, but I could hear a TV blaring inside the house. I knocked loudly, entered the house to find a woman sitting with a beer and a bunch of hohos on the sofa watching a soap opera (mid-afternoon). I told the mother what had just happened, and she began to scold the hell out of this little girl (maybe almost two years old). I was enraged and told the lady that perhaps she should get off her fat ass and pay some attention to her children. Out-of-line, I know, but I just about killed her little girl.

                I stormed out of the house yelling "you're welcome!" after getting an earful from the mother. Went home and told my mother what had just happened. It turned out that my mother's boss had just witnessed the entire affair, and my actions/reactions. To this day, nearly thirty years later it is still a source of pride for my mother but in today's climate, I'd be in jail.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#14 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:21 PM EDT
                Scott Isaacs

                Sounds an appropriate response to me... but then again I don't agree with today's social climate of "Leave me alone even if I look like I need your help." LOL

                • 1 vote
                #14.1 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:01 PM EDT
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                cyrannova

                It's easy for me to think I would have done something different when I read the story in front of my computer. But who really knows how they would act until the time comes? I think it says a lot that he even called when he heard the lost child message. Some people today would just keep on moving.

                I think too many people are called to parent today but aren't allowed to. It seems that just yesterday Hillary Clinton was telling us how 'it takes a village' but if you do anything to another villager's child you had better have a lawyer on retainer.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#15 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:07 PM EDT
                Surya

                Another 'Viner (ridgydidge) has just written a great little article about the broader effects of this stuff on society. It's a lovely read.

                  Reply#16 - Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:08 PM EDT
                  Fima Fimovich

                  My story
                  http://estrinyefim.newsvine.com/_news/2007/06/23/798199-internet-porn-hysteria

                    Reply#17 - Sun Jul 1, 2007 12:32 AM EDT
                    Michelle Maertz

                    I had a similar situation recently in the Orlando International Airport. I was in the ladies' room and a mom with an infant in a stroller and two toddlers come in. The toddlers were probably about 3 and 4, so clearly the woman had her hands full. She was in the middle of doing her own business and the baby was screaming when the two toddlers made a mad dash for the door.

                    I'm a mom of one (now 18) and former stepparent of six children. The whole situation scared the crap out of me. I went after the toddlers. I didn't touch or even try to talk to them. I merely kept an eye on them until mom came out of the restroom. Had something gone wrong (or even suspect), I'd have been yelling for security at the top of my lungs. Mom was relieved and thankful that someone actually cared about the safety of a stranger's children.

                    A village, indeed.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#18 - Sun Jul 1, 2007 1:11 PM EDT
                    aprilbd

                    That is very sad. Couldn't the man in the story at least have called the police or something?

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#19 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:04 AM EDT
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