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12 year old girl arrested for resisting 3 men that attack her

Seeded on Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:03 PM EST
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texas, lawsuit, police, prostitution, us-news, wtf, resist, galveston
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As Dymond headed toward the breaker, a blue van drove up and three men jumped out rushing toward her. One of them grabbed her saying, "You're a prostitute. You're coming with me."

Dymond grabbed onto a tree and started screaming, "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy." One of the men covered her mouth. Two of the men beat her about the face and throat.

As it turned out, the three men were plain-clothed Galveston police officers who had been called to the area regarding three white prostitutes soliciting a white man and a black drug dealer.

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indecent

Hmm. Now that I think of it, I may catch some flak for the headline. But I dont feel "12 year old arrested for resisting officers" is warranted, and that is the basis of my entire argument, something I wish the website would have addressed more directly.

The officers were in plainclothes, in an unmarked car, and allegedly did not identify themselves as police (even if they did, we're taught from a young age that some bad men will pretend to be police). They jumped out, attempted to take a girl.

Both the girl and her father believed she was being abducted and fought back. HOW is that not justified? Instead, the girl goes to juvie for a short time, and both her and her father are charged with resisting a peace officer.

It makes me sick. Absolutely sick. It is articles like this that make me want to go back and enter law school.

  • 44 votes
#1 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:07 PM EST
redacted-

I had to google this because I thought this couldn't possibly be true.

Is this America anymore?  If those cops aren't fired for this, well maybe we're living in an Executive Gulag.

  • 16 votes
#1.1 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:43 PM EST
ntq

It makes me sick

Hollywood or Disney?

    #1.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:20 AM EST
    grannyj55

    It's Texas

    There have been other children/teenagers mistakenly beaten and even killed in Harris and Galveston counties.  Either mistaken belief that there was a weapon present, or just plain screw up.  It's certainly not an everyday occurrence but it has happened before. GPD or for that matter HPD, doesn't want another lawsuit. Hence the charges.  Although in Texas, in state court, there is a cap on these types of damages.  I believe it’s 200K.  The Griffins going to mediation early next year.

    I hear almost weekly of kids, both boys and girls, either walking home from school or to a friends house being snatched, or an attempt at being dragged into a vehicle made on the city streets. There’s a composite drawing of the pervert(s) on the five o’clock news.  This little girl and her father had every right to defend themselves.  She goes back to trial in February,  Regrettably, I assure you, nothing will happen to the officers.

    • 16 votes
    #1.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:21 AM EST
    Nic-24

    This is sickening. How can stuff like this happen in America?!?!

    • 5 votes
    #1.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:53 AM EST
    Dennis C. LathamDeleted
    jameseg

    Indecent, I agree with you on the headline.

    Presumably there are several members of the news media on the scene seeking to learn more about this story.  As described in the article, it is almost unreal!  What a tragedy!

    • 4 votes
    #1.6 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:22 AM EST
    centerbound

    You know, have you been watching what is happening in Greece? It is events like this that spark mass protests and rioting in europe. You people ask how this can happen in America and when people will stand up??? Well America doesn't have a spine anymore and that is why we will forget all about this tomorrow. So go back to work, go back to sleep, and go back to shopping for christmas, and don't worry about the cops beating and abducting innocent 12 year old girls.

    • 10 votes
    #1.7 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:38 AM EST
    Lo2013

    How much do you guys wanna bet that they did not identify themselves as police officers? And even if they did, in what alternate universe does it take 3 grown men to subdue a 12 year old girl?! Can we say "police brutality"? Anyone wanna wager a guess on the sh%tstorm that it would have been had the little girl been white?

    I hope this little girl doesn't become too jaded and cynical by all this, and I hope those sons of b%tches lose their badges for this, at the very least.

    • 8 votes
    #1.8 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:04 AM EST
    olzapato

    And the police think we should trust them LOL

    • 2 votes
    #1.9 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:17 AM EST
    Robert-Eglin AFB, FL

    That is a disgrace!!! Even if it was an "arrest", Since when do we arrest people by beating the @!$%# out of them when they are unarmed.. I was a cop for several years and I have been in 2 branches of military and never have I heard such CRAP... All the officers in that van should be brought up on battery charges, improper procedure, and fired... unbelievable!! I would be writing the mayor of galveston every day until they did that, if I lived in that city!!

    • 8 votes
    #1.10 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:04 PM EST
    Jerry Verlinger

    I understand what your saying about "modifying" a headline. I do it often it to more directly focus on the essence if an article. It's when a headline is changed to a degree that it misrepresents the article, that it becomes a problem.

    Anyway, the article ........... in the first place ..... it's TEXAS!....... the state that leads all states, in our race toward Facism. And that's what is ......... we are rapidly becoming a Fascist Police State ........ and the people of this country just refuse to believe that.  Everone (well not everyone) but most people want to cling to the belief that we are a "Free Democracy", that's what we're constantly being told by our Government.  And, our Government, with the beautiful Stars and Stripes waving in the background, wouldn't lie, now would they?!!

    The more conservative the philosophy of a State or Community, the more power and authority it will offer to the Police.  And, Cops, by the very nature that made them want to be cops, will exercise every bit, and more, of the authority that is offered them.

    And , we, the people, let them. Our government is not taking our Rights away .......... we, the people, are giving them away!

    FIGHT BACK!

     "Anyone that trades Liberty for Security, deserves neither Liberty nor Security."
    [Benjamin Franklin]

    • 6 votes
    #1.11 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:04 PM EST
    Dennis C. LathamDeleted
    Robert-Eglin AFB, FL

    Cool Dennis... small world huh.. I spent the last 8 in the AF and then 4 before that in the Marines..

    Good on you for calling, People definitely need to act on this one!

    • 2 votes
    #1.13 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:37 PM EST
    GeorgeOrwell

    Ah, not to belabor a point here, but when we choose to trade liberty for security, don't you think things like this are going to happen?

    We've been screaming for quite awhile now that the police and our government have to protect us from all the bad people out there; well, that's what these police officers beleived they were doing.  And, no, they're not going to apologize because wegave them the right to do it by extending their authority and by looking the other way when they overstepped their authority when we thought they were right in doing so.

    We want the police to protect us, and we are willing to let them break the law to do so, so long as we are not the victims of their law-breaking.  It just so happens that in this case, as in many many others, we were.

    • 5 votes
    #1.14 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:52 PM EST
    Lo2013

    when we choose to trade liberty for security, don't you think things like this are going to happen?

    Under NO circumstances should it be permissible for 3 grown men, cops or not, to beat one 12 year old girl.

    well, that's what these police officers beleived they were doing

    That's your opinion, but you have no idea if they're just sadistic b%stards who took her struggling as an excuse to physically abuse her. We don't know their motivations, it's all speculative.

    We want the police to protect us, and we are willing to let them break the law to do so

    Please speak for yourself, I would never condone police breaking the law to meet any ends.

    • 4 votes
    #1.15 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:05 PM EST
    PowerIsKnowledge

    Lo, exactly how have you helped this family? Have you contributed towards the families defense fund? Have you written a letter of complaint to the mayor, governor, attorney general, senator, or even the media?

    • 1 vote
    #1.16 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:41 PM EST
    GeorgeOrwell

    Lo,

    As a society, we condone the breaking of rules if we believe it will keep us safe.  It is only when the reality of that rears its ugly head and intrudes in our lives that we suddenly find that we don't really like the rule-breaking that much.

    Not everything written is written with you personally in mind, so please don't take everyting personally.

    • 3 votes
    #1.17 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:51 PM EST
    Lo2013

    Well PiK, I just learned about it today so there isn't much I could have done.... yet. I will be writing a letter to the police department expressing my disgust with these 3 officers, and I would equally be open to writing to any or all of the powers that be of this city and state, since their emails are public. What I don't understand is why the accusation? I didn't realize that in order to have an opinion on this I have to be actively involved. You make it sound like my points aren't valid because I haven't gone out of my way to personally help this family. I just sent money to an Obama supporter who was beaten by 3 men, does my opinion on that case count more than this one?

    Mr. Orwell, I don't know where you got the idea that as a society we condone anything of the sort, please provide a link for that, otherwise it is just your opinion because I understand a lot of the allegedly illegal things our govt. has done in the name of freedom is most certainly not condoned by many as being okay. My belief is that ends do not justify means. If you have a differing opinion, that is your right.

    As for taking things personally, I only asked that you not speak for the collective of americans or society, which is more than reasonable.

    • 4 votes
    #1.18 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:25 PM EST
    Mr. Rogers.

    Jerry Verlinger

    This sucks for sure and I am sure justice will come of it.

    However Texas is the MOST FREE STATE in the Union. This does NOT refelct on the rest of us. There are idiots in every state and Galveston needs to clean up its act.

    • 1 vote
    #1.19 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:09 PM EST
    GraveMind

    I think the point Mr. Orwell was trying to make was more to the 'logos' or concept, "the only thing needed for evil men to triumph is for good men to do nothing," as opposed to "the ends justify means."

    However, I could be wrong.

    • 1 vote
    #1.20 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:24 PM EST
    Jerry Verlinger

    Please speak for yourself, I would never condone police breaking the law to meet any ends.

    I believe that is exactly what GeorgeOrwell was doing when he posted his comment. I think the point he was making is that, "we", meaning society in general, have a tendency to turn our heads when the police bend the law in order to catch the bad guys, as long as we are not the subject of their investigations, we allow it. However, it is that very attitude that is allowing this Nation to slowly slip into a Police State.

    This country needs more people like you, that will not tolerate the police bending the rules to achives their goals, to speak out, in forums like Newsvine, against prosecutors and investigators going to any extremes to get convictions.

    The problem is, we are allowing the police and prosecutors to step over the line all too often.  And, every time we do that, we give up a little more of our liberty, and give more power and authority to the police and prosecutors.  That Liberty is going to be very, very difficult to regain. 

    The time will will come that we realize we have givin up most of our freedoms, and have evolved into a Police State.  By that time it will be too late.

    The Question: How do we stop the erosion of our liberties?

    • 3 votes
    #1.21 - Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:23 AM EST
    Lo2013

    Jerry, you make an excellent point, but I truly believe that the general public doesn't know about the dealings within a police dept or a prosecutor's office until some type of corruption comes to light. In which case, I don't know if that can be called turning a blind eye.

    And Mr. Orwell can correct me if I misunderstood his post, but I took what he was saying as such things are necessary to keep the people safe, and we don't whine about it until it happens to us and I wholeheartedly disagree. For every cop that is corrupt, there are hundreds that are not, but he and his actions alone can call a whole police dept. and their cases into question. The same with a prosecutor who crosses a legal line and opens up a whole barrage of appeals from any given criminal who is guilty as sin... and that is just unacceptable. And I have never seen a scandal like this turn up when the public wasn't outraged, so I don't quite see how he came to that conclusion.

    Now perhaps the people within these institutions turn a blind eye to such things, but I very much doubt the general public would if they were aware of it, or at least I sincerely hope they wouldn't. But I personally like to think that for every corrupt person within the ranks of a police force or a government, there will always be people like Serpico or Deep Throat (Mark Felt) who refuse to stand idly by and that gives me hope.

    Anyone who disagrees is welcome to their opinion, of course. Thank you very much for your insight Jerry, and I sincerely appreciate the compliment. As for your question, I ask myself every time I read a story like this :(

    • 3 votes
    #1.22 - Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:36 AM EST
    Jerry Verlinger

    "....And I have never seen a scandal like this turn up when the public wasn't outraged"

    The problem is, the attention span of the American Public last as long as a cloud of breath on a mirror.

    Sure they get outraged , until the next story comes along.  Then they get "outraged" about that, until the next ....... But. when will the American public step away form it's self indulgence and actually do something about the things they are so outraged about?

    By the time the American public realizes they have evolved into a Police State, it will be too late .......... they will be in a Police State ... when being outgraged is outlawed.

    • 3 votes
    #1.23 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:59 AM EST
    Dennis C. LathamDeleted
    GeorgeOrwell

    Lo,

    You completely misunderstood what I meant.  I apologize for not being clearer.  Jerry et al. have pretty much explained what I meant.

    • 1 vote
    #1.25 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:23 PM EST
    Jerry Verlinger

    This sucks for sure and I am sure justice will come of it.

    Don't hold your breath.

    The likelyhood is, that the Cops will agree to drop the assault an resisting charges, if the father and daughter sign a waiver agreeing to not sue for false arrest and/or assault on the girl.

    That's why the cops brought the charges agains them in the first place.

    Now, they can fight the charges, in a Texas court, and stand the chance of loosing.  Or, they can win the case, against their local Police, and be harassed by the Cops forever-after, ie; being pulled over every time they pull out of their driveway.

    Remember, we are moving toward a Police State, the Cops have more control than we intended them to have, because we allowed them to have it.

    Like the ring that cracked the Liberty Bell, ........... we can't take it back.

    • 3 votes
    #1.26 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:29 PM EST
    Robert-Eglin AFB, FL

    Yeah I would let them try to file that in a court.. see what happens.. Resisting arrest.. they have to be arresting you for something first....And it has already been proven they were in the wrong area and the girl didnt match the suspect description.. Defense would have that thrown out quick.. And hell yes I would sue the @!$%# out of the city and the cops...

    • 2 votes
    #1.27 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:43 PM EST
    Wheel

    No, here's what they will do, it's happened before. There will be a civil suit, the city will settle out of court. Part of the settlement will be that the victims agree not to reveal the amt of the settlement and not to pursue it any further.

    • 3 votes
    #1.28 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:29 PM EST
    grannyj55

    The suit goes to mediation early next year - not court.  Yes, it will settle with no statement of monetary award or statement of wrong doing.

    Sorry, Robert.  It doesn't work that way here in this "law and order" state.  If a cop says jump - you better say "how high, sir" if you don't, you resist an officer, your cuffed and hauled to jail (or worse) - regardless if they got the wrong guy or you didn't do anything wrong - 8 times out of 10 charges will be filed.  I just hope they can not find 12 citizens that will convict the girl and her Father (depending upon the timing of the mediation and the trial, if the mediation is first and is "successful" the charges will be dropped).

    This is not a daily occurrence but it is not rare.   It's hard to explain (not defend) these type of actions by the police, but it is not surprising nor shocking if you live here.  No one will be fined, no one will be fired.  No police training.   Will there be a loud hue and outcry by the populace?  No.  By a large majority, the populace believes it's ok for the police to do this for the "greater good" and if you didn't do anything wrong, you should just go let the cops hand cuff you and sort it out later.  It's the same mentality that wholeheartedly agrees with warrantless searches and warrantless wiretapping, i.e. "if your not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't care what the law does in your defense - it'll work out if you're innocent."  If you took a poll here it would pass by 80 percent.

    My opinion is that this is real easy to say until it happens to you, but I belong to that teeny, tiny 20 percent minority.  But calling, writing letters, inquiries, bless you, but it will not change one thing.  I know how vile this incident is, I'm not defending this "Texas version of the law".  Just trying to explain how it happened and why it's progressed the way it has.  

    Will anything change - no.  Will it happen again - yes.  Jaded - yes. 

    • 1 vote
    #1.29 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:14 PM EST
    Jerry Verlinger

    Part of my comment #1.26

    Remember, we are moving toward a Police State, the Cops have more control than we intended them to have, because we allowed them to have it.

    Like the ring that cracked the Liberty Bell, ........... we can't take it back.

    • 1 vote
    #1.30 - Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:49 PM EST
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    MGDasefExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    I hope the girl went home and got off the streets.

    This is not quite as bad as the idiotic, prejudiced, possible senile judge in Atlanta jailed a Moslem woman for refusing to remove her scarf.  I hope the ACLU is all over this.  Oh, gee.  It takes a "liberal" organization to stand up for RELIGIOUS RIGHTS!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#2 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:58 PM EST
    Canis Lupus

    ALL head-wear was/is forbidden in that courtroom...NO EXCEPTIONS! 

    Everyone is treated the same and expected to abide by the same rules.  Can't get any fairer than that, bubba.

    • 17 votes
    #2.1 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:59 PM EST
    Viki Babbles Gonia

    Did I miss something in the article about headwear being banned?  I'm confused.

    • 7 votes
    #2.2 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:46 PM EST
    Maureen Mower

    I hope the girl went home and got off the streets.

    Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?   Nowhere in that story does it say this girl was a hooker.   In fact, the article clearly states that the THREE hookers the cops were supposed to be looking for were all WHITE, and this 12 year old was black. 

    What "streets" was she supposed to get off of, when she was at home with her family and only went outside to flip the circuit breaker at her mother's request? 

    We teach our children to fight back and resist if someone tries to abduct them, for their own safety.   From the perspective of this child and her father, the men jumping out of a van were trying to kidnap her.   Beating her certainly helped promote that perception as well.

    This child and her father did nothing wrong.  The police could have identified themselves from the start, and then perhaps the whole thing could have been sorted out without any violence from either side.   But since they didn't do that, it is the Galveston police department that should be apologizing profusely to the whole family, paying all medical bills, and setting that girl up with a college scholarship.    Instead, they're hiding behind their "authority" and pretending that the girl and her father brought this on themselves, which is pure bull.

    I'm a grown woman who has never broken a law in my life.  If three men jumped out of a van and grabbed me, I'd fight like hell too.   If they were cops, the time to identify themselves is when that van door opens - not AFTER they've beaten me badly enough to cause permanent vision and hearing damage. 

    • 11 votes
    #2.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:08 AM EST
    phoenixrising

    This is not quite as bad as the idiotic

    You cannot be serious...we are talking about a 12 year old girl, snatched out of her yard, by 3 Men.  She was verbally assaulted, physically assaulted and wrongfully jailed!

    Where is your sense of right.

    To begin with she did not match the description, she was not at the location and she was not observed breaking the law.  The officers acted inappropriately and have definitley violated this young lady and her family.

    • 9 votes
    #2.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:27 AM EST
    Gloria-660080

    The law forbidding ANY head gear, hats, scarves, etc. is in place to protect the very idiots who object to it. The issue is not religious freedom, it is SAFETY for everyone in the courtroom... The laws that we have to abide by should also be followed by Muslims, if not, that would be special treatment of one religious group. The next thing you know, we'd be allowing prayers and Christmas plays in public schools!!!! Oh my, wouldn't that be terrible for you liberals?

    • 2 votes
    #2.5 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:21 AM EST
    jdoyle

    Gloria, what about nuns?

    • 3 votes
    #2.6 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:30 AM EST
    Viki Babbles Gonia

    Of course this is indecent's column, and I wouldn't presume to moderate for her, but I do feel it necessary to point out that this discussion is clearly intented to be about a 12-year-old girl who was assaulted by police officers in a case of badly-mistaken identity.

    It has NOTHING to do with headwear worn in courtroom, Muslims, or prayer in public schools.  Nor does the violation of this young woman's civil rights have anything to do with political affiliation.

    Oh my, wouldn't that be terrible for you liberals?

    That kind of line is inflammatory and unnecessary in ANY discussion, and completely unnecessary in this one.

    • 8 votes
    #2.7 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:32 AM EST
    jdoyle

    Youre right, of course, Vicki.

    • 2 votes
    #2.8 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:45 AM EST
    countrycomfort

    canis - gloria - this seed is about a 12 year old girl grabbed on her families property by three men who jumped out of a van and accused her of being a prostitute.  She was not in a court room, not wearing a headscarf, and not on a public street.  When they grabbed her she and her father fought back against what they believed to be an abduction.  Now she and her father are being accused of assaulting police officers because the three men where plain clothed officers who went to the wrong place to make an arrest.  The 12 year old suffered injuries to her face, throat, and ears from being hit in the face and head and was sent to juvenile detention.  Maybe you would like to invite three strange men to come to your house, grab you, beat you, accuse of prostitution, then if you try to defend yourself arrest you and put you behind bars: Merry Christmas.

    PS.  Read the article about the headscarf before spouting hate.  The woman never even got past the security checkpoint (at the entrance to the courthouse?) she turned to leave instead of removing her scarf.  She never entered the court room.  No laws broken.

    • 2 votes
    #2.9 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:48 AM EST
    indecent

    Viki is exactly right. Gloria, if you insist on adding any more inflammatory or off topic comments in this thread, I'll simply begin removing them.

    I would also greatly appreciate it if you would read the article in the future before commenting, as your comment about getting off the streets clearly shows you haven't.

    • 7 votes
    #2.10 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:52 AM EST
    Dennis C. LathamDeleted
    RachaelMM

    She's not in jail (yet anyway). Her first trial was declared a mistrial, and there is another one scheduled. Hopefully a judge will realize any charges against her for what they're worth -- absolutely nothing -- and throw the case out.

    • 2 votes
    #2.12 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:56 AM EST
    Lo2013

    Hi Dennis, just in case you were confused, those quotes you posted are a comment someone posted under the article speculating on what will probably happen, considering the power of the Great Blue Wall. Although I think depending on the police dept., IAB does tend to police their own in the best way possible, which is probably why they're hated by other cops so vehemently. Although given how the Galveston police are handling this, I say they're all a bunch of corrupt a**holes.

    • 2 votes
    #2.13 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:09 AM EST
    IAmEverydayPeople

    ALL head-wear was/is forbidden in that courtroom...NO EXCEPTIONS!

    This rule is significantly more restrictive to people who belong to religions which require them to wear head scarves than to people who's religions don't. It absolutely does not apply to everyone equally.

      #2.14 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:07 PM EST
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      Sir. Thinkswaytoomuch

      In the imortal word of NWA: @!$%# tha police.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#3 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:25 PM EST
      Dennis C. LathamDeleted
      Robert-Eglin AFB, FL

      Not all cops are like that now.. believe me!! They are despicable!!

      • 2 votes
      #3.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:04 PM EST
      Dennis C. LathamDeleted
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      sieb

      Sounds like the father beat the crap out of the cops and instead of admiting they messed up, the dept decided to cover it up (and avoid lawsuit) by making an example of them first. Funny that they insist they resisted arrest when they were not even the ones they were supposed to arrest, not even the right ethnicity!

      • 12 votes
      Reply#4 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:36 PM EST
      RoxyFL

      I'm a parent of a teenager, Who would blame a parent trying to protect his/her child? Shame on Galveston polis to have the nerve to arrest the 12 year old. That child will live with the scars of being attacked as it is.

      • 18 votes
      #4.1 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:40 PM EST
      Dennis C. LathamDeleted
      RoxyFL

      Dennis, I cried for that young child. There are few I won't ever forgive or forget. One is those who hurt a child emotionally and physically.

      • 3 votes
      #4.3 - Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:53 AM EST
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      DS04

      Is Galveston chanigng it's name to Dymond, Texas.  Take them to court.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:39 PM EST
      Dennis C. LathamDeleted
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      Viki Babbles Gonia

      I have a 13 year old daughter.  If I looked out my window after hearing her call out for me and saw her being grabbed and hit by three grown men in plainclothes, I'd have gone out there with a gun in one hand and the phone dialing 911 in the other.

      And though I live just a couple of blocks from the police station, I probably would have shot somebody.

      Unfortunately, a lawsuit against the police department, even won, won't erase from this young girl's memory that incident.

      And people wonder why I caution my children not to blindly trust the police.

      • 25 votes
      Reply#6 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:54 PM EST
      Not by might, nor power

      I'm with you all the way Ms Viki!  And I'm a gun control advocate!  Don't you touch my children!!!

      "Unfortunately, a lawsuit against the police department, even won, won't erase from this young girl's memory that incident."  -Viki Babbles Gonia

      No, but maybe lots and lots and lots of money will help.  : )

      Can't you see the headline: "Jury awards millions to girl kidnapped by police"

      • 5 votes
      #6.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:46 AM EST
      ntq

      I have a 13 year old daughter.  If I looked out my window after hearing her call out for me and saw her being grabbed and hit by three grown men in plainclothes, I'd have gone out there with a gun in one hand and the phone dialing 911 in the other.

      LOL , BITTER but TRUE. :-)

      • 8 votes
      #6.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:24 AM EST
      Viki Babbles Gonia

      I would hope that, aside from lots of money, this lawsuit would serve to put police departments on notice that this behavior is unacceptable (you'd think they knew that already).

      Even just considering this scenario happening to my own child makes me shudder.

      • 7 votes
      #6.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:36 AM EST
      SheWhoDoesn'tFallForBS

      I don't own any guns but yeah somebody would get a brick in the eye for messing with my baby. Three on one, I will take those odds to protect my own.

      • 5 votes
      #6.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:11 PM EST
      Cooper1

      this lawsuit would serve to put police departments on notice that this behavior is unacceptable (you'd think they knew that already).

      The majority of us do know that. It's the crap depts. like this one letting this behavior go on that give all of us a bad name. We (cops) are not all like that. These three men should be fired, fined, and imprisoned for this. They clearly didn't follow procedure or they would have noticed the little girl was not even the right ethnicity. And for the city to file charges against the family...The politicians trying to spin this to be the family's fault need fired, fined, and imprisoned as well. There is no place in law enforcement for this kind of behavior. I know cops have a reputation for sticking together, but I'm just disgusted with this. I wouldn't stand beside these guys if they were the last officers (and I use that term loosely) on earth. This crap needs stamped out so that people (especially little kids) will look up to us again like they used to.

      • 1 vote
      #6.5 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:02 AM EST
      Wheel

      The majority of us do know that. It's the crap depts. like this one letting this behavior go on that give all of us a bad name. We (cops) are not all like that. These three men should be fired, fined, and imprisoned for this.

      That sounds good but the police union is hiring their lawyer and the other cops will defend them and not tell of any of their previous crimes.

      • 1 vote
      #6.6 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:31 PM EST
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      whatanoddguy

      Why the hell would they send plainclothes, male officers in an unmarked van to make this arrest? Even if she was a prostitute, and even in they had identified themselves and shown badges, the girl would have every reason to suspect that they planned to rape/kill her and would've been perfectly justified in resisting. Were there no uniformed officers in marked cars available? This is just horrible police procedure that could easily lead to an officer being shot.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#7 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:12 PM EST
      sieb

      I wonder more about:

      Why did the cops pick her up without even matching the description of the actual hookers?

      Why did they not announce they were cops and question her as opposed to acting like this was a raid?

      What is the depts justification for persuing them when the girl wasn't even the right person? How can you resist arrest when you aren't even supposed to be arrested?

      • 13 votes
      #7.1 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:34 PM EST
      Spikegary

      Agreed.  I hope the charges are dropped and a complete apology fromt eh Police Department follows.

      • 9 votes
      #7.2 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:45 PM EST
      Not by might, nor power

      "I hope the charges are dropped and a complete apology fromt eh Police Department follows." -Spikgary

      And Money!  Don't forget the money!   lol

      • 7 votes
      #7.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:51 AM EST
      SheWhoDoesn'tFallForBS

      It seems to me like they had ulterior motives.

      • 2 votes
      #7.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:12 PM EST
      Reply
      caroaber

      It's unprofessional conduct like this that gives police a bad name. The child did not match the description. She was targeted for her clothing, and that's profiling. The cops arrived at a different location but proceeded anyway. And to wait 3 weeks later and again traumatize this poor girl, this time at her school--there's no excuse.

      This is a prime example of police abuse against Afro-Americans. Just the report that she suffered two black eyes and was beaten about the head and throat are appalling enough. How dare they arrest this child or her father. I'm so fed up with how the police treat Black people in Texas.

      • 9 votes
      Reply#8 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:36 PM EST
      Karl_

      And on top of it all she is being sued???
      This is the kind of thing that would give me a bad name if she was my child.

      • 3 votes
      #8.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:49 PM EST
      Dennis C. LathamDeleted
      Karl_

      Dennis C. Latham,

      Yes. If I was there I probably would too on the spurr of the moment. But if it was my child, I would be on the war path right now instead of on this blog. As of this case, I am doing the right thing: Protesting.

      • 3 votes
      #8.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:40 PM EST
      Todd-1973

      Your information is wrong, Karl. 

      She is doing the suing.

      • 1 vote
      #8.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:30 PM EST
      Karl_

      Todd-1973,

      You are absolutely right.I read it again and you are right... Now I have to revise every thing I have said, based on that new perspective. I am still appalled, mind you, but the process is unfolding in a more normal manner than if she was being sued..

      Thanks, Todd.

      • 1 vote
      #8.5 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:35 PM EST
      Reply
      G. H.

      I went back and re read the article, then some of the comments that followed it on that page/site. First, people were thinking it was just a hoax, then someone else googled the court or whatever. Turns out it was a real event and there is a lawsuit in the matter in the courts right now.However it turns out, the girl and family were wronged and if it turns out to be proven, each of those officers AND their commander should be fired. No paid leave, no benefits, no pensions. That was outrageous. It happened over two years ago and the lawsuit is STILL in the courts?! Wrong, wrong ,wrong!!

      • 10 votes
      Reply#9 - Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:12 PM EST
      Not by might, nor power

      "each of those officers AND their commander should be fired. No paid leave, no benefits, no pensions" -G. H.

      "My, you're strict, G.H."   And thorough, for doing all that research into the case.

      Yeah, but I agree I don't think it would have taken me 2 years to decide this case. 

      Open and shut.

      • 6 votes
      #9.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:56 AM EST
      PowerIsKnowledge

      This is one that should be played out in the media and where are they when you need them!

      • 4 votes
      #9.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:39 AM EST
      Todd-1973

      The lawsuit was just recently filed. 

      http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/08/26/GalvestonCops.pdf

      The Complaint was filed on 8/22/08. 

      As to how long a civil trial will take, we are talking months if not years.  Civil trials are different than criminal trials, and (obviously) deal with different merits and laws.

      I think the Complaint itself is rather interesting.  I was a paralegal and worked civil law in Florida.  I'm guessing Texas law is at least a little bit different, but the Attorney seems to really be trying to milk money from the system.  He asked for damages (money), more damages (more money), physical damages (bills), money just because of the wrongness of the act, interest on the money (both before and after the judgment), his fees (which are taken out of most monetary awards in Florida), and the cost of the lawsuit (which is represented in the fees of the Attorney). 

      • 6 votes
      #9.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:25 AM EST
      RachaelMM

      his fees (which are taken out of most monetary awards in Florida), and the cost of the lawsuit (which is represented in the fees of the Attorney)

      No, fees and costs are different. Attorneys' fees are their hourly rate. Costs are actual costs, like the cost of filing the lawsuit, cost to hire experts to testify, etc.

      • 3 votes
      #9.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:57 AM EST
      Todd-1973

      I understand they are two different things.  However, awarding Attorney's fees usually encompasses both.  That was my point.  Often times there is a separate hearing in which the defense will dispute the fees and billable hours of the plaintiff's attorney.  That in itself is a whole process.  I had to type up and review a couple thousand hours of fees in a civil case once.  Not very fun from the typist's point of view. 

      • 1 vote
      #9.5 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:09 AM EST
      RachaelMM

      However, awarding Attorney's fees usually encompasses both.

      It doesn't, actually. Fees and costs are typically sought and awarded separately.

      • 1 vote
      #9.6 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:58 AM EST
      Todd-1973

      I'm guessing then that it depends upon which sort of action is being addressed in court then.  Either that or I'm simplifying it.  For an automobile accident claim that I am going through, I'll be paying my attorney 1/3 of my claim if I win.  That includes fees and costs. 

        #9.7 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:10 AM EST
        RachaelMM

        Than your attorney is either (1) misleading you, or (2) is more generous than most. The vast majority of personal injury firms will deduct their actual expenses and then take their contigent fees from the net amount left from the award. You might want to look into that.

          #9.8 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:32 PM EST
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          thomrob

          Why is an innocent little girl named dymond and wearing tight shorts at 12 years old ? 

          It doesn't give the police the right to do what they did, but it sounds like an awful area.

            Reply#10 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:16 AM EST
            Wheel

            Children aren't responsible for what their parents name them, and kids grow, that's why you buy their clothes too big. Also, who is to judge how 'tight' they were?

            • 7 votes
            #10.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:44 AM EST
            indecent

            I fail to see what her name has to do with _any— of this.

            As for tight shorts, she's noted as an athlete, and I don't think its any stretch of the imagination to say they easily could have been volleyball or track shorts.

            • 10 votes
            #10.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:12 AM EST
            jdoyle

            Why is an innocent little girl named dymond and wearing tight shorts at 12 years old ?

            Thats like blaming the rape victim for wear a skirt or being too pretty.

            • 15 votes
            #10.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:50 AM EST
            AnnForTruth01

            Why is an innocent little girl named dymond and wearing tight shorts at 12 years old ?

            What kind of question is this and how is it relevant to the situation? Did it ever occur to anyone that Dymond, pronounced Diamond, isn't an unusual name and the thought that her parents may have named her this is because they felt their daughter is a precious jewel, which isn't farfetched or unusual. How about this one? The weather in Georgia located in the south, where temperatures are normally warmer compared to the North and other areas, could have been warm this day, or maybe her parents pay their heating bill thus enabling them to burn heat providing temperatures weren't warm and is the reason the girl had on shorts in her house,  because the house was hot and shorts accommodated the heat comfortably. Whether or not they were tight doesn't matter, because she was in her home wearing them, which is more than what some people wear when they're privately relaxing in their homes. The little girl exited her home not to go outside to play jump rope with friends who were wearing tight shorts too, but to check on something at her mother's request. And just because her shorts were tight doesn't mean she's a prostitute, warrant or validate the officers' behaviors. I am quite sure when they were given descriptions of suspects, attire was included and no one knows if tight shorts was this and I doubt if the 12-year old was wearing red patent leather 6-inch heal shoes.

            • 10 votes
            #10.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:27 AM EST
            Dennis C. LathamDeleted
            indecent

            BTW..... I just got off the phone with 2 city officials in Gavelston, TX and they know nothing about this.

            Given its on their own counties court docket...

            • 1 vote
            #10.6 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:18 AM EST
            ntq

            Thats like blaming the rape victim for wear a skirt or being too pretty.

            Difficult to judge on this argument. "To be" or "not to be" !?

              #10.7 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:32 AM EST
              SheWhoDoesn'tFallForBS

              Thomrob -- You have a lot of nerve saying:

              Why is an innocent little girl named dymond and wearing tight shorts at 12 years old ? 

              Don't you see little girls everyday with little shorts that say cheer on the butt, do you think that they are prostitutes. Not only that but this little girl went outside her house to turn on a breaker.

              Have you ever went outside in your boxers to pick up the Sunday times? If yes, then maybe you should be kidnapped because you are probably a prostitute. See how that feels!

              • 3 votes
              #10.8 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:24 PM EST
              D DeMilo

              OK, nobody else is asking it so I will.

              Was the van with three men just sitting there waiting for her to come out?

              Did they turn off the breaker to bring someone out?

              What was the real motivation behind the attack?

              • 3 votes
              #10.9 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:44 PM EST
              Cooper1

              Excellent questions D Demilo.

                #10.10 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:12 AM EST
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                alkimija

                I get the feeling that if the snatch wasn't botched, that the girl would have wound up dead. There are some really bad cops out there and there's probably a dang bad reason why they were all in plainclothes. In all likelihood the real story is they got caught trying to scoop a kid for a gang rape/murder and they're trying desperately to throw any kind of accusation against the intended victim in an attempt to scare her and her family into silence.

                Unsolved rape/murder cases in the area should be re-investigated with a very suspicious eye toward the three "officers" involved.

                • 13 votes
                Reply#11 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:10 AM EST
                Tom Joad

                Agreed, wholly.  I was thinking the same thing, from the beginning.

                • 8 votes
                #11.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:28 AM EST
                James Andre

                Unsolved rape/murder cases in the area should be re-investigated with a very suspicious eye toward the three "officers" involved.

                It isn't far fetched to believe that 'bad procedure' could be evidence of serial criminal behavior.

                • 9 votes
                #11.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:39 AM EST
                Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                alkimija

                When it comes to the state and their thugs, the worst-case scenario usually pales in comparison to what actually is going on. 

                I have a much higher opinion of regular folks and usually try to give them the benefit of the doubt.

                • 2 votes
                #11.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:25 PM EST
                SheWhoDoesn'tFallForBS

                Those cops probably did this before and this is the only time that the girl fought back, or rather held on to the tree for dear life.

                • 1 vote
                #11.5 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:28 PM EST
                Reply
                Wheel

                cops are such scum. Too lazy to do their work properly, to crooked to admit to doing something wrong. Going to her school to arrest her for assaulting an officer is classic cop behavior when faced with a situation like this.

                Cops are not our friends, they aren't even good at their jobs anymore. These particular louts were 3 blocks from where the prostitution report came in and the girl wasn't the same race as the reported prostitutes. But hey, god forbid these bullies with badges should actually make sure they're arresting the right person.

                • 5 votes
                Reply#12 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:42 AM EST
                PowerIsKnowledge

                Not all cops are bad!

                • 9 votes
                #12.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:42 AM EST
                waynef415

                No... and not all cops are good, either, apparently.

                • 6 votes
                #12.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:59 AM EST
                Viki Babbles Gonia

                Wheel, it's true.  Not all cops are bad.  Many are.  Not all politicians are bad.  Many are.  Not all butchers are bad, many are.  Not all Starbuck's baristas are snotty, many are. 

                The problem where it concerns "Peace Officers" is that we are taught to inherently trust the police, when they are just as capable of @!$%#ing up as the rest of humanity.  And their relative position of power makes it easier for them to become corrupt.

                Several years ago, my son, who had been outside riding his bike on the sidewalk and up and down driveways, came in the house with a red light that could be attached to the back of his bike.  He said a police officer had pulled over and given it to him and had told him that he should have it on his bike, turned on, if he was going to ride around near the street at dusk or after dark.

                I called the department and read them the riot act.  And I explained to my son that, regardless of uniform or badge or police car, or lights on top of a car, he is not to speak to ANY stranger and is to run from any and all, as fast as he can, to a trusted adult.  I'd explained that many times, but he was still blinded by automatic trust.

                • 4 votes
                #12.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:44 AM EST
                Todd-1973

                Viki,

                "I called the department and read them the riot act.  And I explained to my son that, regardless of uniform or badge or police car, or lights on top of a car, he is not to speak to ANY stranger and is to run from any and all, as fast as he can, to a trusted adult.  I'd explained that many times, but he was still blinded by automatic trust."

                So, because the police officer was acting in the best interests of your son, and gave him a safety device in order to ensure or promote his safety, you flew off the handle?  Nice work.  Perhaps you should change your little regime there.  After all, your "trusted adult" might be a relative, which if I remember my statistics right have a higher chance of being abusive than a stranger.  Instilling distrust in Police certainly doesn't seem the way to go, as he'll keep that distrust as he grows.  What other people should he run from:  Doctors, firemen, nurses and teachers?

                • 6 votes
                #12.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:18 AM EST
                ntq

                Several years ago, my son, who had been outside riding his bike on the sidewalk and up and down driveways, came in the house with a red light that could be attached to the back of his bike.  He said a police officer had pulled over and given it to him and had told him that he should have it on his bike, turned on, if he was going to ride around near the street at dusk or after dark.

                I called the department and read them the riot act. 

                Should we call it a thoughtful response? I'm not sure.   

                And I explained to my son that, regardless of uniform or badge or police car, or lights on top of a car, he is not to speak to ANY stranger and is to run from any and all, as fast as he can, to a trusted adult.  I'd explained that many times, but he was still blinded by automatic trust

                Trust is "inspiring" not "blinding". That's why it's so difficult (not to mention "foolish") to avoid. Almost like holding ones breath. "Breathing" (passing air through the air tract) could be just as hazardous as "trusting". Could it not? Does that mean we should stop breathing? It doesn't. No, not to those who have been gracefuly taught the skills of "breathing" (different times and under different circumstances). The same holds true with trust (+ other natural qualities/powers). I believe it'd be far more realistic to teach the child the art of "how to trust" - as opposed to "distrust "- and allow life (the relative experience and knowledge acquired by time ) to instruct its application (i.e Who, when & what to trust and what not). A planet free of "trust" is certainly going to be a dark one.

                • 4 votes
                #12.5 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:24 PM EST
                caroaber

                Thank you, Todd, for the thoughtful response to Viki. The officer did the boy a solid, even though it was unsolicited and may've frightened her.

                Police officers are distinct from peace officers (I belong to the latter group, and we do not work undercover) and have greater powers. These 3 individuals did not handle themselves professionally, and that does shine a bad light on their department and their training. But all police and peace officer recruits are human and you will always have human error. I read nothing exculpatory about this incident, and it makes me hang my head.

                • 2 votes
                #12.6 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:43 PM EST
                Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                Viki Babbles Gonia

                ntq, you make a good point, and what I've taught my children is exactly that--how to trust.  But part of that means teaching them not to automatically trust any individual, but only those we've discussed are trustworthy.  Of course, one day I may find out that my own judgment was wrong, and that someone I told my child to trust turns out to be a monster.  It's a parents biggest fear.

                Which brings me to Todd's comment.  There's more to it than what I expressed above.  My own police department visits our district schools on a very regular basis and they tell the kids to be careful about who they trust, and to talk to any adult they don't know, they should have their parent present.

                When I read them the riot act, I did thank them for looking out for my son, but I requested that in the future, it would make far more sense for them to ask the kid to go ask a parent to come outside, and to talk to the kid and the parent together.

                In fact, when I orginally called it was simply for that purpose, but they were unable to figure out which officer might have done it, because they aren't supposed to, according to department policy.  And that's really what got me rolling.

                It may have been a nice thing for the officer to do, but it was done without thinking that the parent might wonder if it was really a police officer who had done it, or some maniac pretending to be a police officer.

                We live in an absurdly safe neighborhood, and everyone gets complacent, even me, even the police themselves.

                • 5 votes
                #12.8 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:03 PM EST
                ntq

                ntq, you make a good point, and what I've taught my children is exactly that--how to trust.  But part of that means teaching them not to automatically trust any individual, but only those we've discussed are trustworthy.  Of course, one day I may find out that my own judgment was wrong, and that someone I told my child to trust turns out to be a monster.  It's a parents biggest fear.

                Yes, and the fear shall live with us so long as we refuse to confess that there's far more to "Teaching Trust" than just that. That's only part of the greater teaching/learning process and merely involves an adult-to-child exchange of relatively solid experience and knowledge. It's a precious source of information but never sufficient on its own to win the required credit. In other words, have a satisfying end-result which, within the scope of the present discussion, is for us to feel relatively assured that our children know (in atleast 99% of cases) who/what/when they are to trust.and to what degree. 

                Based upon my experience, to skillfully acquire the art of "how to trust", an individual (i.e child) must first and foremost learn "how to be trusted". A person who knows "how to gain the trust of others" is less likely to misjudge the party he'/she is to trust.    

                We live in an absurdly safe neighborhood, and everyone gets complacent, even me, even the police themselves

                Sadly enough this is the current trend with almost every one of us. Infact,when you look at it we're all living in "excessively unsafe" societies. Non of us are feeling even on average safe these days. After natural hazards I would say "distrust" is the 2nd most important cause of insecurity in our world today. Encouraging our children "not to trust" is equivalent to "digging their graves".  Nothing I recommend.      

                • 3 votes
                #12.9 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:01 PM EST
                Reply
                D DeMilo

                Alkimija -

                Unsolved rape/murder cases in the area should be re-investigated with a very suspicious eye toward the three "officers" involved.

                you may be right. a quick search of the database list "0" children missing / lost / runaway and "0" children involved crimes in Galveston. considering the state average this is highly unlikely.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#13 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:11 AM EST
                Jarandhel

                As a matter of curiousity, what database did you use for this search?  I like to expand my sources of information whenever possible, and a database of that sort sounds useful, if it is publicly available.

                • 1 vote
                #13.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:37 PM EST
                D DeMilo

                Jarandhel - only part of it publicly available.

                public portal is here    http://www.missingkids.com/

                • 3 votes
                #13.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:57 PM EST
                Jarandhel

                Thank you.

                • 2 votes
                #13.3 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:21 PM EST
                Reply
                waynef415

                Since when did police officers stop having to identify themselves?  No warrant for arrest, no showing of badges?  This whole thing stinks to high heaven.  I also tell everyone I know not to blindly trust the police.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

                • 9 votes
                Reply#14 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:30 AM EST
                indecent

                I thought the same thing.

                Also, I thought that you had to actually be caught soliciting sex to be arrested as a protestitute - not just walking outside. Thats why "stings" not "raids" are set up. Grabbing a girl doesn't constitute any of that.

                The article does note that the first time the court tried to try her and her father, a mistrial was declared. I don't see anything about the girl getting read her miranda rights as they tried to forcefully abduct her. Not that that would change much of anything in my opinion, but it doesn't appear the cops made any attempt to make it known that they were officers.

                • 9 votes
                #14.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:26 AM EST
                Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                jazzie2010

                The police stopped identifying themselves a long time ago. Things you are learning now has been common knowledge in AfricanAmerican communities forever.Now it has started to "trickle down" into other communities.When AA's were complaining to the world about police brutality and bad behavior, no one listened and thought "those people must have done something wrong, otherwise the police would not have had to put them in a choke hold and kill them. The cops are the good guys and they feared for their lives". Don't you believe a word of it, it still happens in AA communities all over the USA, but you don't hear about it because ot the cover-ups. I could write a book (or two)about some of the dirty, low-down deeds that cops get away with, and they are getting worse each and everyday.I would never talk to them about anything.

                • 3 votes
                #14.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:23 AM EST
                D DeMilo

                Jazzie - I agree with you in point. However, it hasn't just been AA's, the homeless and poor whites and hispanics have experienced the same, moreso in "the hood" but other areas as well

                • 3 votes
                #14.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:25 PM EST
                D DeMilo

                I'll give you another example in Texas. Dallas Mayor Sarah Miller along with the city council passed city ord's as followed;

                • suspicion of prostitution was any action deamed by police as indicative of the act of prostitution
                • anyone caught in an area known for prostitution that can not show sufficient reason or business for being there is subject to suspicion of engaging in prostitution
                • anyone arrested or ticketted for any offense related to prostitution or in an area known for prostitution was subject to their vehicle being confiscated and sold at public auction (this did not require a conviction)

                 These actions were struck down by the Texas Supreme Court after action taken by the Dallas Morning News, Advocacy Ink and the Dallas Alliance for the Homeless

                Sarah Miller is a long time personal friend and supporter of Bush. Under her administration, the only homeless shelter not targetted by the Dallas Police was operated by a friend of hers that ran it as a forced labor camp handling janitorial and custodial services to Dallas. The homeless persons recieved no pay, only a cot at the shelter.

                What we have been seeing in Washington for the last 8 years started in Texas. A lot of good people have fought this for a lot of years and are just now beginning to make a dent.

                • 1 vote
                #14.5 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:09 PM EST
                Reply
                AnnForTruth01

                This is totally uncalled for, considering officers were given descriptions of suspects. If they sat and watched from a marked car, did not they see the child exiting her home? Was it that dark and the young girl that black officers couldn't actually see she didn't fit the description of a white older female prostitute? When they were beating her as she hollered for her father to rescue her, could not officers  hear the hollers were that of a child thus they were beating the crap out of a child, without properly identifying who they were? The child had to be horrified...three men in regular clothing jump out of nowhere and because she refuse the arrest, the young girl gets abused by authorities whose purpose is to protect us.  Better yet, at this point didn't officers realize this 12-year old girl wasn't their suspect? It's interesting to see/hear how lawyers and additional authorities twist this one. She was wearing tight shorts just don't cut it.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#15 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:37 AM EST
                AnnForTruth01

                Since when did police officers stop having to identify themselves?  No warrant for arrest, no showing of badges?

                I don't know, but with all these changes taking place, maybe this one slipped by us. But seriously, I doubt if changes in these type police procedures were implemented. Apparently officers made them up as they went along and now I hope parents sue the crap out of them and the police department and win, for trainers possibly teaching officers incorrectly.

                • 3 votes
                #15.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:01 AM EST
                AnnForTruth01

                When I wrote win the lawsuit, I am referring to parents of the little girl...Just needed to clarify this. The language in the original response #15.2 can read confusingly to some.

                • 2 votes
                #15.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:46 AM EST
                grannyj55

                Ann

                I've lived in the area for 39 years -

                It's Texas - Training - Galveston - won't happen.

                • 1 vote
                #15.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:51 AM EST
                jlw-780751

                It was not dark.  This happened at 7:45 on Aug. 22, 2006.  In Texas, it's still light at that time in August due to daylight savings time.

                  #15.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:06 PM EST
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                  waynef415

                  Two things I noticed from the original article:

                  Update: This is from the officers' lawyer, William Helfand:

                  Both the daughter and the father were arrested for assaulting a peace officer. "The father basically attacked police officers as they were trying to take the daughter into custody after she ran off."  Also, "The city has investigated the matter and found that the conduct of the police officers was appropriate under the circumstances," Helfand says. "It's unfortunate that sometimes police officers have to use force against people who are using force against them. And the evidence will show that both these folks violated the law and forcefully resisted arrest."   

                  It looks as though the city has effectively given their stamp of approval, saying that this sort of procedure is the norm.

                  "I think we'll be okay," says Griffin. "I don't think a jury will find a 12-year-old girl guilty who's just sitting outside her house. Any 12-year-old attacked by three men and told that she's a prostitute is going to scream and yell for Daddy and hit back and do whatever she can. She's scared to death." 

                  You better think again.  Juries love cops, especially juries of the all-white variety.

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#16 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:56 AM EST
                  Dennis C. LathamDeleted
                  reddirthippy

                  If I was on the jury that is not taking someone into custody that is kidnapping. 

                  "The father basically attacked police officers as they were trying to take the daughter into custody after she ran off." 

                  More lies I have seen nothing to suggest she ran off.

                  • 1 vote
                  #16.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:38 PM EST
                  SheWhoDoesn'tFallForBS

                  Even if she ran off it is warranted. We need to rememberthis kid went outside to turn on a breaker and would most likely have walked right back into the house. She was terrified, and I know I would have fought those men too. They didn't say they were cops and they were in an unmarked van trying to take the little girl.

                  • 2 votes
                  #16.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:36 PM EST
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                  Randy-469306

                  Journalism..........Isn't it wonderful?

                  Every coin has two sides..............just like events, stories.

                  Once you get all the facts, it makes ya wanna say " HUMMMMMMM."

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#17 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:25 AM EST
                  D DeMilo

                  I'll be the first to admit I'm biased in this one. I've seen this same scenario and worse more times thsn I care to count in Dallas. Children and teens attacked without provocation, including two teens attacked by police in a burger king for "looking like they were gang members", a black teenage girl attacked at work by a cop who claimed she short-changed him (after the manager counted down the drawer and found it correct), and I could go on.

                  • 2 votes
                  #17.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:31 PM EST
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                  lost in the sauce

                  If this wasn't so serious it would be laughable. I just got to work in Orlando and have to drive through a "not so great" area of Orange Blossum Trail. Funny that I got "waved" to by 2 hookers at 7am. My point is usually working girls are trying to attract attention not turn on circuit breakers.

                  I'm tending to agree with the comments that this might have been a botched crime rather then a bad arrest. All involved need to be shown the door after they pay the lawsuit and maybe spend some time in jail themselves. Where are the US Marshalls or FBI??

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#18 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:29 AM EST
                  Phoenix-77

                  When I read the headline, I thought it was going to be about some Middle Eastern country or a third world country, but this happened in Galveston Texas?  

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#19 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:57 AM EST
                  ntq

                  When I read the headline, I thought it was going to be about some Middle Eastern country or a third world country, but this happened in Galveston Texas?

                  No, in fact, it's a 5-star  American action pack that's routinely welcomed and blindly practiced by the immitating middle-eastern (developing) societies. It's genuinely "Texan" and belongs to the "Wild-West" studios.  

                  • 2 votes
                  #19.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:51 PM EST
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                  gunsandreligion

                  This is the only link I can find to the story... out of Australia!  The Galveston cops are really trying to keep this under wraps.  I hope the cops get crucified.  Maybe one day Americans will just have to start responding like the youth in Greece. 

                  Oh here's the URL for filing a complaint with the Galveston PD.  I dont know what you would do with such a URL.  I just thought it was a nice example in web design.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#20 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:17 AM EST
                  grannyj55

                  http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2008/12/galveston_false_arrest.php

                  This might work

                  • 1 vote
                  #20.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:23 AM EST
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                  gunsandreligion

                  why cant I enter urls?

                    Reply#21 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:18 AM EST
                    RachaelMM

                    you have to have a certain number of votes on your comments and articles/seeds, or a certain amount of time on the vine, before you're able to post links.

                      #21.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:55 AM EST
                      Viki Babbles Gonia

                      It looks like you're still in the Greenhouse, gunsandreligion.  That's the place where new users are stuck to prevent spammers, etc.

                      You've been here since June, and provided you haven't had significant abuse reports against your for nasty comments or anything of the like, I think it's likely that staff would let you out if you requested so.

                      Hit the "report bug" button up at the top of this page, choose something suitable from the drop-down (other would work), and request that you be let out of the Greenhouse.

                      Then, voila!  You'll be able to post links in comments.

                      • 1 vote
                      #21.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:32 AM EST
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                      Todd-1973

                      Just reposting the Complaint near the bottom so it doesn't get lost.  Filed in August of 08 in the United States Southern District of Texas:

                      http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/08/26/GalvestonCops.pdf

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#22 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:32 AM EST
                      countrycomfort

                      As a result of the Officers’ assault, Dymond suffered from pain in the back of the head, lower back pain, a sprained wrist with abrasions, and throat, neck and face pain. Plaintiff’s parents took her to the University of Texas Medical Branch for treatment. They arrived at the emergency room at 9:24 p.m. on August 22, 2006. Plaintiff was treated for head injuries and multiple contusions. The examining physician found that Plaintiff suffered injuries from multiple blows to the head, face, neck, lower back, left shoulder, and left hip/waist area. She suffered a contusion to the back of the head (where she was struck with a flashlight). There were abrasions on her arm and wrist. Plaintiff’s throat was swollen; she had difficulty swallowing, nausea and vomiting, and hoarseness of voice due to being struck in the throat. She had black eyes, scalp lacerations, tenderness of the vertebrae. She was experiencing double vision and loss of hearing.

                      5 www.courthousenews.com

                      Thank you for the link - This wasn't just a bad arrest this was a criminal beating.  These officers should be arrested for assault. 

                      • 6 votes
                      #22.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:50 AM EST
                      D DeMilo

                      I have now read the complaint, the booking report,  the filings papers and performed a background check on the members of the family named and the address.

                      • these cops were undercover narc's. Nar'cs don't arrest prostitutes for anything but drug related crimes.
                      • they were after a drug dealer and a group of prostitutes
                      • one of the officers involved was previously a Dallas Police Officer who was "allowed" to resign over  an accusation of forceable rape and abuse of authority

                      this additional information has been forwarded to the attorney of record for the family

                      • 7 votes
                      #22.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:30 PM EST
                      Lo2013

                      Thank you for this todd, it clears up some of the speculation.

                      • 3 votes
                      #22.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:32 PM EST
                      Lo2013

                      Okay, did I read that right? He threatened to shoot their dog?! Good god, what kind of cops are these?

                      • 4 votes
                      #22.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:49 PM EST
                      waynef415

                      they were after a drug dealer and a group of prostitutes

                      And there it is, ladies and gentlemen... your 'Drug Exception' of the week.  I KNEW that had to be the reason behind this.  It seems like whenever cops are going after drugs, all rules go out the window.  And that is clearly what has happened here.

                      What happened to this poor family is only the tip of the iceberg when we examine what our 'brave' DrugWarriors are capable of.  I'll say it again: It must take a real tough badass to beat up a 12 year old girl.

                      Okay, did I read that right? He threatened to shoot their dog?! Good god, what kind of cops are these?

                      They're the typical kind.  Cops do this sort of thing... ALL... THE... TIME.

                      • 1 vote
                      #22.5 - Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:21 PM EST
                      Lo2013

                      See but I hate that all vice cops are lumped into this. My best friend is an undercover vice cop and he would never do something like this, he's disgusted by stories like this and suspects that these guys aren't on the up-and-up. One cop already has a "questionable" background to begin with.

                      My best friend has infiltrated gangs, cartels and the like and he puts his life on the line every time he does it. I can't tell you how many times he's had to get hooked on some drug, only to have to finish a case and do rehab all over again. He says that some cops, no matter how good their intentions, are immersed so much in this world that the line gets fuzzy after awhile and one day they wake up and they are the scumbags they're working so hard to put away. Probably why he says they have a very limited shelf life as undercovers... I can't wait till he's done with this work because I never want something like this to happen to him.

                      • 2 votes
                      #22.6 - Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:49 PM EST
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                      RachaelMM

                      According to the local Fox News affiliate:

                      The city found the officers' conduct was appropriate under the circumstances, Helfand says.

                      There had better some serious details lacking from the girl's account of the incident. If it happened exactly as she said, and the city found that conduct appropriate, that is seriously disturbing. And the fact that she is being charged at all is disgusting and absolutely ludicrous. I hope she has a cause of action stated for wrongful prosecution as well.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#23 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:54 AM EST
                      sacheson

                      That's what I think Rachel.  I fear both sides of the story aren't being told completely. 

                      But wait - news sources in the US altering a story in hopes to get copy sold?  That stuff never happens.  So my opinion must be incorrect.

                      of course - if I AM wrong, then apologies to the family and I hope justice is served on their behalf.

                      • 1 vote
                      #23.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:37 AM EST
                      SheWhoDoesn'tFallForBS

                      Give me a break, even if this story was exaggerated the facts remain three plainclothes cops tried to arrest a 12 year old girl when she went to turn on a breaker. Oh yeah and beat her up.

                      • 1 vote
                      #23.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:51 PM EST
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                      AnnForTruth01

                      You mean FauxNews as some call it? I will wait to hear the report on another station, because reporters on this one or any affiliates can't be trusted, so they have proven already time and time again and as recent as two days ago. But thanks for the update anyway. The entire situation seems "ludicrous" as you wrote. I honestly don't see how individuals can flipped this one, albeit I am not ignorant to the fact that it can be easily done based on prior police officer wrongdoing cases.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#24 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:06 AM EST
                      RachaelMM

                      Yeah, I'm not really fan of Fox News for their political coverage, but because this was a report about the complaint and the events surrounding it, its credible enough in this instance for me.

                        #24.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:29 AM EST
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                        bduboftexas

                        I'm hoping that the girl will not let this horrifying incident change her focus.  From an honors student to juvy?!  This is crazy.  And since it is Texas - I wonder what would have happened if the father had shot one or all of the police.  It's totally legal to do that here if you have a permit - and especially if you're on your property defending yourself, family - or property.  They didn't identify themselves as officers - they're lucky to still be alive.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#26 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:11 AM EST
                        Todd-1973

                        I can tell you right now that the father would be in jail or dead.  The death might have occurred if the undercover police officers shot back.  The jail time would have been for killing a police officer.  It doesn't matter if they identified themselves or not, as long as they were on duty.  As to "not knowing" they were police officers, think more along the lines of police officers being shot while undercover in drug rings or gang activity.  Another instance where not knowing doesn't help in law is the "I swear she was 18" defense.  Those are two examples. 

                        • 2 votes
                        #26.1 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:27 AM EST
                        grannyj55

                        What would have happened if the father had shot one or all of the police?

                        I'm sorry, I know I keep saying this - I'm certainly not condoning it - but it is Texas. 

                        If Mr. Griffin had lived after the first shot, (you point a rake toward a cop here you'd be shot dead) carry licence or not, he would have been charged with capital murder regardless of whether the police had identified themselves.  I don't think (hope to believe) you would have found 12 jurors that would convict him of capital murder - I'm not saying the jury would acquit - (this is not my personal belief of right or wrong) just how it is.  Just like I don't believe you're going to find a unanimous jury to convict on resisting arrest and assault.

                        • 1 vote
                        #26.2 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:01 AM EST
                        Lo2013

                        Sorry Todd, but those two examples don't apply. My best friend is an undercover vice cop and his job is much different than 3 plainclothes cops trying to arrest a girl, but not telling her who they are and why they are detaining her. It would be very easy for her father to see 3 normally dressed guys trying to hurt and abduct his daughter without thinking "oh, they must be cops". If I walked out of my house and saw 3 grown men beating and trying to steal my kid, I would not hesitate for a second. They are required BY LAW in those instances to identify themselves as police officers and read Miranda rights, not beat her!

                        Incidentally, I emailed my best friend this story and he said it was disgusting and that these men were an embarassment to his profession. He's rallying his colleagues to contact the Galveston police because it's cops like this that give them ALL a bad name.

                        • 5 votes
                        #26.3 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:44 PM EST
                        Todd-1973

                        If the action happened like the biased (yes, it is biased, since they don't have both sides of the story written down) news report stated, then I will wholeheartedly agree with you.  However, until I read the response to the Complaint by the lawyer on the other side, I'm going to reserve the majority of my judgement.  Questions I might think would be good to know:

                        1.  If the father never knew they were police officers, how did he know who to contact and the names of the officers?

                        2.  Did any of the officers report injuries to collaborate the story of assault against them?

                        3.  At what point did the officers decide to use force in attempting to detain the 12 year old and/or her father?

                          #26.4 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:39 PM EST
                          Lo2013

                          You are absolutely right Todd, I am in full agreement that all sides need to be heard, but for now I am going on the reasonable belief that these men did not identify themselves as police initially because the girl would have had no reason to fight back knowing they were police. I am also using a reasonable belief that in no instance would it take 3 men to subdue a 12 year old unarmed girl. No matter how you slice this, the cops were in the wrong... whether it was a misunderstanding that went horribly wrong or something more nefarious, who knows? If it turns out that the girl's and father's account is not factual, I will be the first to retract my statement, but I am going on what the article reports for now... and I am also a victim of police arrogance and the insistence that they are both infallible and above the law, so perhaps I am cynical about things like this, I freely admit.

                          • 3 votes
                          #26.5 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:31 PM EST
                          indecent

                          1.  If the father never knew they were police officers, how did he know who to contact and the names of the officers?

                          If you read the article, it states the cops brought charges against him and his daughter before the civil lawsuit was filed. THats a good place to start with names and contacts of those involved.

                          3.  At what point did the officers decide to use force in attempting to detain the 12 year old and/or her father?

                          They jumped out of a van and grabbed her. That is the use of force. I very highly doubt that the "other side" is going to come out and say "no, we didn't touch her" when she has hospital reports that show otherwise.

                          • 5 votes
                          #26.6 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:47 PM EST
                          Lo2013

                          That is a good point, indecent. I'm actually curious as to whether the cops had any marks on them. Because something tells me a 12 year old can't do much damage to 3 men no matter how hard she fights. If that little girl ended up in the hospital with all those injuries and these men had barely a scratch on them, they were in the wrong. Period.

                          And then to add insult to injury (literally) to this girl, they arrest her?! It just boggles my mind...

                          • 4 votes
                          #26.7 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:54 PM EST
                          Wheel

                          Lo,

                          Charging the victim of police brutality with something is automatic. After being beaten by the cops the usual charge is resisting arrest or assault on a officer, it's because the cops have to put something on the paperwork.

                          • 2 votes
                          #26.8 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:33 PM EST
                          Lo2013

                          Unless they didn't identify themselves as police or didn't follow procedure, and then it's a whole other ball game. You can't resist arrest if you don't know you're being arrested.

                          • 3 votes
                          #26.9 - Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:40 PM EST
                          Todd-1973

                          3.  At what point did the officers decide to use force in attempting to detain the 12 year old and/or her father?

                          "They jumped out of a van and grabbed her. That is the use of force. I very highly doubt that the "other side" is going to come out and say "no, we didn't touch her" when she has hospital reports that show otherwise."

                          No, that isn't "Use of Force."  At least not by my book.  A police officer will usually "grab" someone to impede their progress or their attempt at flight.  The use of force in my perspective came when they hit the child.  By your definition, a cop would have to kindly ask someone to cuff up and hand them the cuffs for the perpetrator to do so.  Otherwise they'd be charged with "use of force."

                          • 1 vote
                          #26.10 - Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:47 AM EST
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